Episode three of Socrates Dialogues with Mary Harrington returns, this week with artist Jonathan Pageau, for a conversation that is as delightful as it is wide-ranging. From medieval cosmology to internet memes (we love how Mary describes them as “clusters of meaning”), from Dante to C. S. Lewis, we wonder if there’s a topic that wasn’t covered. The duo discuss how one of the modern world’s troubles lies in forgetting how to see, having traded a symbolic vision of reality for a mechanistic one t

Episode 3 of Socrates Dialogues: Mary Harrington and artist Jonathan Pageau explore everything from medieval cosmology to internet memes—and why the modern world may have forgotten how to truly see. Link in bio.